Bobby's Perspective vs. Atheist - Who Is Right? @Bobby's Perspective
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0:00 Hey guys, what's up? I'm going to be reviewing a video by Bobby's Perspective. A lot of you probably already know him. He used to make anti-vegan content and then he switched to making videos about religions.
0:15 Most likely because he got way more views and it's understandable. I don't blame him. He has to take care of his family. Why not make videos about topics which are more popular on YouTube? Absolutely. He made a video about an atheist, as far as I know, I didn't watch it yet, obviously, who doesn't believe in God, and he does believe in God. We'll see.
[video] 0:46 Alright guys welcome back to the channel hey if you're new man is bobby this is actually a video that i want to react to a long time ago it is stephen fry on god the meaning of life so for people that don't know stephen fry is an atheist but moreover he is an actor a broadcaster apparently a comedian as well a director a narrator and a writer so he's quite the prominent figure especially in the uk but as it is with so many of those celebs most of them many of them are actually atheists so therefore today we're going to hear his opinion his very well respected opinion on That's true. If anything, they should interview people who do believe in God.
1:35 If you don't believe in God, then you simply don't believe in God. There's nothing really much more that you can add to it. I don't believe in God or any gods. I'm absolutely open to the idea. I just don't naturally see any reason to believe in a god. You could say that I do believe in a god, which is the sun. You could call it God. That's what people always used to worship, the sun. Even Christians still do today, they just don't realize it. They call it Jesus, but Jesus is simply a symbol of the sun. But whatever, Christians obviously don't understand what they are doing nowadays. People always used to worship the sun because the sun gives you life. It's the absolute energy source. It's everything. It's the source. The sun, if anything, would be God.
[video] 2:24 People, there's a reason why they push atheism in the society. Suppose what Oscar believed in as he died, in spite of your protestations, suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates and you are confronted by God. What will Stephen Fry say to him or it? I will basically, let us be honest here, I think I'll say bone cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you? How dare you create a world in which there is such misery?
2:51 This is so ridiculous. If there would be a God, and again, like I said, I'm absolutely open to the idea, maybe there is. Okay, great. Then God would create nature. It would create, or he or she, whatever, which is already ridiculous, but whatever. I'm not even gonna get into that. God would create a human being the way he or she is supposed to be. All of the other animals also, all of the trees, plants, everything that we can find in nature would be that way because of God. If you then would go against nature, then it would be your own fault. It doesn't matter if you're brainwashed. If a human being doesn't eat naturally, for example, and there's more to health than food, but it's the most important part, then you cannot be healthy, and then you get diseases. And this can also happen as a child.
3:46 It would have absolutely nothing to do with God, seeing as God already naturally told you what you're supposed to eat. You're supposed to eat raw meat, organs, drink blood and so on. That's when you will be happy. That's what human beings do in nature. And if there would be a God, then humans in nature would follow God. And that's why humans in nature don't have any illnesses whatsoever. Literally none of the ones that we do today. They may get injured and so on, but they don't degenerate the way we do. Therefore, this argument that it would somehow disprove God or that he would be angry at God would make zero sense, because God already naturally would tell you what you're supposed to do to be healthy.
[video] 4:30 It is not our fault. It's not right. It's utterly, utterly evil.
4:35 But it would be your fault. If you wouldn't eat naturally, whose fault is it?
[video] 4:41 Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world which is so full of injustice and pain?
4:51 Nature is absolutely perfect. There's no injustice. There is pain, but pain is part of nature. There's nothing wrong with pain. Without pain, there is no life. If you don't eat animals, then you die and they have to feel pain, although you could do it in a way that they don't feel pain, but naturally they do feel pain when they get eaten. What does he not understand? From pain comes happiness and health. That's literally nature 101. That's just how nature works. It's a circle of life. Without pain, nobody on earth could be happy or healthy.
[video] 5:28 And they always think they sound sophisticated, but ultimately it's the repetition of the same old argument, right? The argument of evil, the question of evil. How can there be such an evil God? We see evil all around us. But this comes from atheists that do not believe in objective morals. If you're an atheist, you do not believe in God, hence you do not believe in a universal standard of what is right and wrong. There is no right and wrong, there is no good and evil. If that is your worldview,
5:55 I would say that my values, in big quotes, align more with religious people simply from my experience with talking to both sides or many of the sides. There's, of course, a lot of different people with different beliefs, obviously, nowadays especially. That being said, I don't believe in morals, and I don't believe that that's the way atheists go through life, though. I don't agree with Bobby here, because from my experience, over 99% of people believe in morals, and they believe in good and bad, as in a general good and bad. I don't believe in that the same way no human or animal in nature does. There's nothing that can be generally good or bad. For you, yourself, absolutely. Some stuff will be good and some bad. If somebody hurts you, bad.
6:52 If you do something to somebody else for whatever reason, if you want to do it, then it's always good for you, because you want to do it. What you want to do is good for you, obviously. And what you don't want to be done to yourself is bad for you. But it's not generally good or bad, because What's being done to you is bad, but the one who's doing it to you is doing it for a reason. And he's doing it because it's good for him. And if you do something to him which is good for you, then it's gonna be bad for him. So it's not generally good or bad. It's not universally good or bad, so to speak. So there's no such thing. There's no examples of anything at all that's generally right or wrong, good or bad, and so on. I just don't agree that atheists actually think this way. Most atheists, pretty much all of them really, believe in morals and are religious the same way religious people are. The same way people who believe in God would say there's good and bad. It's exactly the same way they talk.
[video] 7:51 How can God then be evil? You say that it's evil when children have bone cancer. How? There is no right and wrong. There are no rules to this game. This is what the atheists...
8:01 But this is not true, man. I wonder why he says that, because if you talk to anybody on Earth, any atheist, they will say that there is a good and evil. Absolutely, they believe in that.
[video] 8:14 Theist claims there was a Big Bang, everything came into existence, This is simply materialistic, we are biological life forms, we are space monkeys on a spinning rock, and now it is survival of the fittest. Where do you find morals in that worldview? You don't. And therefore you simply appeal to emotion, you appeal to whatever feels good. But this is exactly the same argument that vegans take then. Vegans say it is wrong to harm anybody, right? It is wrong to harm people. Most people agree with that statement because people subscribe to humanitarianism, they subscribe to universal human rights. It is bad to harm any person and therefore by that standard we extend this view onto animals now because we as humans we find it Reprehensive when we attack other humans allegedly and therefore we shouldn't do it to animals either exactly and this makes sense if you believe in that because as a vegan or
9:06 Really, most people on Earth have this vegan mindset nowadays. We were kind of manipulated into going into that direction. If you believe that hurting somebody in general, whatever animal, is wrong, then you would have to say that hurting any animal on Earth, such as a cow, a sheep, or whatever, is wrong. If you actually believe that hurting an animal, humans are also animals, is wrong, therefore the vegan argument is correct, And pretty much 99% of people on Earth should go vegan if they actually believe in that. Which is the reason why I don't. It doesn't make sense to me whatsoever. And that's because that's not how it is in nature.
[video] 9:46 It's wrong. Yet again, there is no right and wrong in the universe. The vegans will agree with us. But it is simply wrong because we don't want to experience pain.
9:55 But that's not true. Even the vegans believe in the right and wrong. Really strange argumentation. I don't know who he has been talking to. I even watched this one debate of him against the militante vegana and I thought that it's pretty clear that they do believe in right and wrong.
[video] 10:12 and the animal doesn't want to experience any pain either. Why is pain bad? Even the most famous atheists like Sam Harris don't have a direct answer to that. They will simply tell you, yeah, I don't have to tell you that it is bad because it feels bad and therefore the alternative is better.
10:27 Pain is very simply the body's defense mechanism, for the most part. That's the purpose of it. Somebody hurts you, somebody does anything to you that you don't like. You can even get hurt emotionally, which is biochemical. You will then have these chemicals in your body, which will make you feel bad. And that's when you will defend yourself against being attacked, against feeling pain. If you wouldn't feel pain, then how would you even go through life? Pain is incredibly essential to life.
[video] 11:01 But that's not even true. The reason our society is so weak is because people hurt themselves
11:23 They don't do what is good for them. They literally do not even listen to their senses anymore, because of how brainwashed they are, and they do what feels bad for them. They work out, which feels horrible, they exercise, they stress their bodies, they age their bodies, they eat horrible food, which makes them bloated, they have gas all day long, they smell, they get these spots on their face, acne everywhere, everything feels bad, they have pain, They are literally not doing that. It's just very strange what he's saying.
12:02 Actually, to add to that, imagine a population where everybody would be doing exactly what they want to do and what feels good for them. They would create children, have a family, they would eat food which doesn't cause any digestive issues, as in raw meat. They would go out into the sun instead of using sunscreen to protect themselves from God.
12:27 We would have a super happy and healthy population, but that's just not the case. People are doing exactly what feels bad for them.
[video] 12:33 Problems that we see now in the West stem exactly from this ideology. Do not hurt anybody. Do whatever feels right for you. But that is such a juvenile perspective. It is so extremely superficial. What does it even mean? You're not hurting anybody. So in order for something to be evil, I need to go out and
[video] 12:52 of course, absolutely ridiculous. It is too consenting adults after all, don't you see? Too consenting adults to what? Have people never changed their opinions? How many consenting adults, especially if you look into women in their 20s, have gone out, been promiscuous, jumped from one guy to the other, and then came to regret it in their 30s? They regretted their life choices. They've been traumatized for life. It happens on a daily basis.
13:15 Right. The thing is that naturally, when you are fertile, you would be together with somebody and you would right away have children. There's obviously no protection against having children in nature, which is why you would simply end up having a family. Naturally, it would just happen. You would have no control over it, so to speak. And then you would be together with this human being. You would have a community, tribe, family, whatever you want to call it. And then you would be all living happily ever after, so to speak, as a group of people. That just doesn't happen today. You sleep around in whatever school, college, and then you in the end regret it because you realize that you wanted to have a family all along over 10 years ago, and then you become a single mother by choice or whatever we have nowadays, as I've reviewed before.
[video] 14:09 ...basis in the West, but it was too consenting adults. After all, they just engaged in sex. It is totally normal. Everybody can do it, right?
14:18 It is normal, it's just that in nature it would happen under very different circumstances. That's the big difference. Today, because of the way society is, even though it's unnatural, I would recommend actually waiting or even get married I would maybe even recommend becoming religious or acting and then joining some church and actually finding a wife who's religious as a guy, from a guy's perspective now, simply because it's going to be very hard to find anybody otherwise. Even though it's abnormal, I would even recommend for a guy and a girl to wait for the right partner. There's no such problem in nature, but today, There's really no point in especially losing your virginity to somebody randomly. Better really just wait for the right human being, so to speak.
[video] 15:11 The full picture is seen by the creator of the universe. And this creator knows right from wrong. That's why he revealed what is right and wrong to us. We can read it in the holy books. But the point is that there is right and wrong. And not everything that is right feels right right away. And not everything that is...
15:28 But he does understand that the holy books were written by humans, right? They may have been prophets. Believe whatever you want, that's all cool. But still, you are following man-made rules when you believe that this is right and that's wrong. I guess that he understands that. As far as I understand, his point is that God works in mysterious ways. As in, we couldn't possibly comprehend God's actions. But as I said, it's really, even if you believe in God, not his actions, because it's just you going against nature if he's talking about children being sick and whatnot.
[video] 16:14 Wrong feels wrong right away. There are many vices that people are engaged in. If I look at Stephen Fry, for example, I can see a clearly obese man. So Stephen Fry obviously is indulging in certain foods that are not good for him. But I'm sure they feel good
16:28 Right, and Steven would say that he's fat because if he would believe in God, then it would be God's fault. It's the same as creating a video game. You can have all of these rules in the game, but if you break the rules and you become fat because of that, then it's not... fault of the creator of the game seeing as he reprogrammed the characters to eat a certain way. If you then start eating something else which you're not supposed to and your body is telling you that you're not supposed to but you still keep doing it, then it's not God's fault. In his mouth when he is eating donuts and cakes and whatever he might choose to eat I'm sure it feels good in the short term But in the long yes in the very short term when you're Eating it in the moment because it's full of drugs actual literal drugs. I don't mean the sugar There's actual drugs and donuts and all of the junk food look into that
17:28 And because you get addicted to this garbage, you want to eat it more and more, but it makes you feel bad. Really within minutes, if not even seconds after eating it, you will sometimes even become dizzy, you will have, as I said, a lot of gas, pain in the gut, constipation. It feels horrible overall.
[video] 17:48 Now we see this old man getting fatter and fatter and who knows maybe developing a disease due to his choices But choice is actually the key word here because the question of evil is not truly answered within the Christian worldview And now he he's an atheist But he comes obviously from a Christian background from a Christian country the UK and the Christian description of the problem of evil was never Satisfactory to me either this is why I left Christianity and accepted Islam alhamdulillah because within Christianity we have Adam and Eve and they're being punished forever and moreover then we inherit that sin and we are evil and now we have to repent all of it is a big guilt trip of course life is hard man we all agree upon that life is tough even in buddhism i don't agree life is not tough whatsoever and life is suffering we all agree here
18:34 Life is not suffering whatsoever. We are literally in heaven, absolute paradise. It just depends on what biochemical state you're in. Yes, I understand that most people on Earth would say that life is tough and you suffer. And a lot of people would even say that life is hell. Absolutely, because for them, biochemically, life is hell. I totally get it. I used to be there, so I totally get it. But my biochemistry changed. And I know that this is paradise, because when you're aligned with nature or God, then you get it, because then you're in heaven, because the sun and the natural food leads you to heaven. And we are in heaven already, it's just that you need to experience it, and then you know this is paradise. I'm absolutely 100% sure that we are in paradise, no doubt whatsoever, because I feel it, I know it, I experience it in everyday life. But I get what he's saying, we'll see what else he says.
[video] 19:32 I'm gonna sign up to compete in a martial arts tournament. As somebody that competed in martial arts, let me tell you, when you are in the fight, you absolutely forget everything that happened prior to it. You're simply there, you're executing your moves and you do not remember that you consented to it. In that moment...
19:46 Yes, of course, because in that moment you are suffering. There's danger, actual danger. You may injure yourself or in some cases even die. It's rare, but it happens. You can break your leg and arms. This kind of stuff happens all of the time. Point being, there's danger and that's why you're in the moment, because always when there's any kind of danger to your body, you don't think about anything else except for the human being or whatever animal that's trying to harm you.
[video] 20:16 Simply doing it, simply fighting. And now imagine somebody being in the ring, being in the cage, being on the mat, simply complaining about how vicious, how violent that sport is. And this is so cruel, and why are we doing it? That is basically your perspective on life. God who created this universe, if it was created by God, is quite clearly a maniac. Utter maniac. Totally selfish. We have to spend our life on our knees, thanking him? What kind of God would do that? Yes, the world is very splendid, but it also has in it insects, whose whole life cycle...
20:46 Actually, I can relate to people getting on their knees and praying to God or thanking God. When you're actually biochemically healthy, as in when you're a happy and healthy human being, then you want to thank God. creation, God, whatever, people used to worship the sun and get on their knees supposedly to thank the sun, who they saw as God, because in nature you cannot see anything else as God besides the sun, because it's the energy source, it's life, it's everything. It makes a lot of sense, because you would be so thankful for the warmth, the life, the happiness that you want to pray and get on your knees. It naturally makes a lot of sense to do that, because I've gone through this, I've actually done this myself. Not because I'm in any way religious, because I naturally wanted to.
[video] 21:45 is to burrow into the eyes of children and make them blind. They eat outwards from the eyes. Again, another appeal to emotion fallacy. Boo hoo, boo hoo, so evil, evil, evil God. What is evil about it? Is there evil in this world? The atheist will say, no, it is all subjective.
22:00 Okay, I would really want Bobby to show me one atheist who doesn't believe in right and wrong, because I've talked to hundreds and I've never even met one. Where are they? 99.99% of people on Earth, no matter what they follow, believe in right and wrong. The same way they believe that vegetables are healthy, that the sun is bad for you, and so on. 99% are brainwashed. They're pretty stupid. You would have to agree probably, right?
[video] 22:36 However, if you truly believe that there is objective evil, then there must be objective good as well. I mean, you said it yourself, the world is splendid. And if you agree with that premise, then you have God. That's what it is. Then you have God, the creator that set the stage.
22:49 Yes, God comes from good. It's just another O added. And evil comes from the devil. It's religious terms. Good and evil always have been religious terms. That's why, as I said, in nature there's no such thing, seeing as there's absolutely no examples of anything that's generally good or evil in nature. But in societies, especially religious societies, you can absolutely talk about good and evil, which is why And as I've said before, 99% of people are religious, whether they realize it or not. In today's societies, everybody is gonna say that there's good and evil. You will almost never find anybody who doesn't.
[video] 23:46 That's a Masonic movie, by the way.
23:51 I don't recommend watching it. Super big brainwash. Actually...
23:58 Exactly the reason why people are so brainwashed, because they watch that kind of garbage and get influenced by it. Don't consume any of that Hollywood garbage.
24:19 The top countries are France, Great Britain, Bulgaria. Interesting. Bulgarians are pretty religious. Not crazy religious, but they are. Belgium, Italy. Then again, all of Europe has changed a lot. Georgians are very religious and not really part of Europe. Obviously also the reason it's not included here is the European Union, from what I can see. It's not as if somebody in nature needs somebody else to tell them what the meaning of their life is. They are happy, healthy, they live in the moment. And that's their so-called meaning. There is nothing else to it, seeing as they are already living the best life possible. They don't need to think about the meaning of their lives. If people say that their lives are meaningless, it's simply because it is, and that's because they are unhappy because of their biochemical state. In these European Union countries, people don't have children anymore.
25:20 It's probably pretty much that percentage of people, actually, Yeah, actually, it makes a lot of sense. And those are really the two main reasons why people feel like their lives are meaningless, because they are.
[video] 25:33 So this is what happens when you reduce the human being to a simple animal. The animal is not reflecting upon its life. You, Stephen Fry, of course do. We do. We seek meaning. We're so different than any other animal. And if you just reduce it to seeking pleasure, like...
25:45 This is not true. I don't agree whatsoever. No human being in nature thinks about the meaning of life. He should really watch some documentaries about tribes, how they live and how they think. They don't even have a word for suicide, and that's because they never even think about it. They have no thoughts about it whatsoever, because they can't even think of doing that, because they want to live. They are happy and healthy. They are not looking for a meaning.
[video] 26:16 an animal, eating, drinking, having sex, then of course you will have a depressed life.
26:21 But no, man, that's exactly how it isn't. If you live like that, then you're not depressed whatsoever. If you eat what you're naturally supposed to eat, of course, and if you're intimate with somebody, then of course you need to create children also. But if you do that, then that's all that you need in your life. Do you really believe that you need to eat naturally, create a family, but then on top of that, You need to follow these rules of right and wrong and that's what's gonna make you happy and give meaning to your life. Come on. I don't even know if he... Hmm, it's very interesting if he actually believes what he's saying. I only ever watched a few of those anti-vegan videos back in the day. It's been a while. I don't really know his beliefs. I guess that this is really what he believes, but it's strange.
[video] 27:09 Atheism is not just about not believing there is a God, but on the assumption there is one. What kind of God is he? It's perfectly apparent. He's monstrous, utterly monstrous, and deserves no respect whatsoever. The moment you banish him, the life becomes simpler, purer, cleaner, more worth living, in my opinion.
27:29 Doesn't make any sense whatsoever, because if you believe in God, then... God would be the reason you are alive. If you would disrespect God, then you would disrespect your whole life. You're here because of God. It doesn't make any sense what he said. It's stupid.
[video] 27:52 This was actually more interesting than I imagined. No disrespect towards Bobby's perspective,
28:16 We don't share the same beliefs, that's all cool. Maybe everything that he said is correct as far as we know, and we cannot know that that may be the case. I never make videos about these topics because people will believe what they want to believe. And if they want to believe that, then you're not gonna change their minds. And again, maybe he's completely correct, maybe we are all wrong.
28:40 There's just no point really in arguing about these kind of topics. I have experienced myself that we are in paradise. I don't need anything else. I don't want anything else in my life in general. It's perfect. Why would you want anything else if you're in paradise? I don't. It doesn't make any sense for me to go after anything else. If you're happy and healthy the way you are, But if you can really look deep inside of yourself and you really know, yes, my life is perfect, okay, this is exactly the way I want to live, everything is, it's just bliss, raw bliss, then absolutely live your life. And if Bobby feels that his life is absolutely perfect, he feels absolute true health and happiness, he's not living in denial, everything is exactly the way it's supposed to be, then perfect, I'm super happy for you. I'm just really glad. Just live your life like this.
29:39 It's simply interesting for me to see what he believes and what other people believe. I don't care how other people live their lives. You can also eat junk food all day long if you want to. I'm sure that at the end of the day, you will be able to admit that you feel horrible because of it, which is why you should for sure change your diet if you want to be healthy. And if you want to be happy and you don't have children, you should probably reconsider that. And once you have children, you will know that it will make you happy and so on. Whatever is natural. I'm just all for nature. I'm just all about making people happy and healthy, that's the goal of my videos. But if he believes that that's how he will help people, then alright, it's all cool. Thanks for watching.