Bodybuilders & Looksmaxxers Are Both Losers @Tanner Shuck @Rorz
Watch on YouTube · 2026-01-19 · 22 min
0:00 Hey, some of you guys asked me to review this video called Luke's Maxing is Bullshit by Tanner Shuck. I was considering doing it, but then I saw that this guy called Roars made a response to it. I'm going to be reviewing his video instead, because this way I can give you my thoughts about the Luke's Maxing side and the side that calls Luke's Maxing bullshit.
[video] 0:26 G'day everyone, my name is Rawz, and today we're gonna be reacting to a video titled, Looks Maxing is Bullshit, and It's Ruining Men. Let me tell you something the internet's too scared to say. Looks maxing is bullshit. Yeah, I don't think the internet is too scared to say this, to be honest with you. I know we're about three seconds into the video, but what I've been seeing in my YouTube recommendations, and probably a lot of you have, is a lot of hate directed towards looks maxing, so I don't think too many people are scared to talk shit about looks maxing, and you're definitely not the first one. Gurus like Clavicular and Dylan McKnight, they're not helping young men, they're frying your f***ing brain.
0:52 Is he helping young men? He promotes bodybuilding. He tells young guys to go to the gym, to look better. And that's funny because it's also a sort of looks-maxing method. They believe that they will get more attention if they go to the gym. Would you do it if you would be the last human being left on Earth? Never. Because you only do bodybuilding for other people, never for yourself.
[video] 1:22 Yes, and when regular people see that, they laugh at it, rightfully so.
1:45 You cannot fix the bones in your skull after you are done developing. If you're still developing, if you're young enough, then you can by eating naturally. That's the only way. Later on, you can do surgeries, which I don't recommend. They are risky and... you will end up looking uncanny, strange, to say the least, because you will change one part of your face, but when your skull develops, grows, then it grows as a whole. And that's why when you fix one part, so to speak, you're not of course fixing it, but that's what people believe, then you will only change that part, but the rest of the skull will stay the same.
[video] 2:36 Your face and the rest of the body develops
2:56 At the same time, of course, there's different stages, but you understand what I mean. If your face develops well, then the rest of the body will also, seeing as it all grows. Just like you are into the body of a woman, women are into the bodies of men. And of course, they look at the face in the first place, and of course, the eyes in the very first place. That's the most important part.
[video] 3:28 ...projecting their own insecurities for profit. Yeah, I hear a lot of these comments talking about how looks maxes project their own insecurities. I can't speak for anyone else in the niche, but for me personally, when I'm talking about looks maxing, I'm thinking of it more in the sense of...
3:39 Of course.
3:42 I don't say this to offend the guy at all, but he looks average at best if I'm really generous. And that's with these crazy effects that he has on his face.
4:00 The shiny, blurry effects. Even girls on Instagram don't use these kind of extreme filters or whatever it is. Of course, you get into looks maxing because you want to improve your looks. Why do you want to improve them? Because 90% of looks maxers are below average and 10% are average. I have never seen a looks maxer who is above average. Just never.
[video] 4:29 Yes, but there is no such thing as genes. What he means is that your bloodline, what you inherit, is important. And that's true.
4:51 your development is also very important and very often the black pillars actually talk about the development of your body which is purely based on the food that you eat and they just always say genetics genetics genetics of course they are no different than the rest of the people out there they have no clue about our bodies, how we develop, why we develop, where our looks come from, that it's all health, that you simply inherit the health of your ancestors. Meaning that if they ate raw meat, a lot of animals, they were good hunters, then you will look accordingly. Even if you grow up on cooked meat, if you come from this kind of a bloodline, you will still look above average, of course. The looks will decrease with the next generations.
5:46 But if you come from a farmer's family, then again, you will look accordingly.
5:57 Just to be clear, by farmer family, I mean families that ate a lot of grains. Of course, you can also farm animals, which is what people used to do a lot.
[video] 6:07 Right, exactly. That's what I mean. It's all about looking differently. You just don't focus on your face. But other than that, there isn't much of a difference. And again, it all has to do with your development.
6:33 The bodybuilders, gym goers, focus on the body below the neck. And maybe the neck also, okay, below the face, the skull. And the looks maxers come to a similar realization. I do not look the way I want to look. Usually it's because of the development today. And I want to change this part of my body, which is the skull, the face. But It's actually really similar The bodybuilders want to look bigger, wider especially, because of development. And the luxemaxers usually want a wider face, which would develop with the rest of your body if you would eat what you're naturally supposed to eat. And sometimes also some stuff which is inherited. Of course, your inheritance, the bloodline that you come from, is super important.
7:33 Don't get me wrong. But your development is simply also very important.
[video] 7:38 Yeah, that's strange, it doesn't make any sense.
7:55 It's almost hypocritical, kind of.
[video] 8:18 Again, doesn't make any sense. Especially if your channel is also all about changing your looks.
8:37 It's about becoming bigger, wider, by gaining a lot of muscles, which you don't even gain for the most part, you maintain them. That's why you go to the gym 3-4 times a week to get the pump, because once you don't go, you lose the pump and you look smaller, and then you're insecure again. There isn't that much of a difference when you compare both sides.
[video] 9:04 Care of yourself. Yeah, no, looks maxing starts with self-respect and self-discipline. I think this mindset is a bit retarded though. Like, why can't we just have both? Like, for example, in my case, I've looks maxed my face quite a lot. I've been in the gym for over six years.
9:17 But you don't even show yourself. You show a photo when you had acne and then you now use these crazy, really over-the-top effects to hide the way your face looks like. And we can see the eye bags and the dark eye circles even with those effects. that also screams insecurity think about it when let's just uh play the video i'll show you what i mean think about it a regular human sees this video it gets recommended to them what do they see a guy who is hiding his skin and then what you think is he is insecure about his skin his looks automatically
[video] 10:07 He's an average, normal guy. I would say that he looks slightly better than you, but whatever, you both look...
10:31 Average, just like some guys.
10:52 Yeah, none of this makes any sense. Discipline is you going against your senses, your intuition, meaning your nature. It's the very opposite of loving yourself, seeing as you essentially... hate something about you your life and you want to change it you go against your intuition and then you lift metal all the time for years 20 years 30 sometimes until you stop in your 50s 60s realizing that it was all nonsense that you were simply insecure that you looked too small that you are wrists, hands, the whole body didn't develop as you wanted it to. Most of them don't even realize this in the end. That's the messed up part. Bullshit you think you want.
[video] 11:47 If you want to be a man, not a mannequin, here's your real looks maxing checklist. Be disciplined. Be in shape. Be a man of your word. Be organized. Have an agenda.
11:56 Respect. Let's go through this. Be disciplined. I already told you. Do the opposite. See comfort like all wild animals. That's what you really want. Be self-willed. That's what wild means. Be in shape. Again, this is just you maintaining the shape. You go to the gym all the time. You maintain it. Be a man of your word. Huh? What? No, do the opposite. Huh? That's the stupidest thing you can do. Be organized. No, what? That's chaos. Follow nature. Nature is the only order in this reality. If you're organized, you're going against nature. Have an agenda.
12:42 no what what kind of agenda I don't know what he means respect time what the does that even mean time doesn't exist other people's time and your own time get your money right don't live in debt like money doesn't exist that doesn't exist be reliable lead your family I like how he said dumbass not realizing the irony be reliable Whatever, man. Protect and provide. That's natural if we are talking about your family. Have good hygiene.
13:21 What does that mean?
[video] 13:22 Well, women care about it, but...
13:36 women wouldn't know what to call it. Rightfully so. Nobody who is good-looking knows these kind of terms. It's only bad looking people and plastic surgeons if it's your job that's a different story but if you know any of these terms the chances are that you're probably quite below average looking because you really researched the black pill luke smaxing you're really into that topic i've never seen one guy who's uh
14:15 Even in any way above average, who knows any of these terms? Just never. Because once you look into these terms, into the topic so deeply, you know that...
14:30 I won't say it. You know it when you look in the mirror.
[video] 14:33 less sharp and warm lighting you want real imperfections look at me one leg's bigger than the other i have a thick core from yeah just be jacked and rich bro heavy lifting i have chest fat sometimes i get acne on my face and my back from sweating my ass off training i don't care about looking like a pretty boy i care about horsepower i care about strength i care about being a man who can at least defend and protect his family his shit really hits the fan and that's totally fine man uh
14:53 You wouldn't even be able to... Okay, he doesn't have that crazy much mass, but still, he is overweight, obviously. And realistically, if you would need to protect your family, you wouldn't even be able to... A body like this just makes you slow. Immobile, essentially.
[video] 15:13 Just because that's something that you believe in doesn't mean that our worldview is incorrect. Maybe you would think that looks maxing is becoming a trend because, quite possibly, there is some truth to it. And meanwhile, some of you are crying because your jawline isn't optimal. Bro, get the fuck out of here. If you really want to be attractive to a woman, be a fucking man. Lead her. Take care of her. provide protect prove you'll be a strong father prove you'll raise kids who will contribute to society not leech from it women want a man with presence not a guy with a dad body who's too fat and sick to play with his own kids and this is why yeah i mean it's true like he is not wrong in any way here but like i said it's a bit of a black and white mindset i believe in everything he's saying here but i also believe in looks maxing as well guys like clavicular and dylan mcknight are poisoning young men they teach you that attractiveness is a math equation real attractiveness is simple be worthy of respect be worthy to procreate with not because of your face because of your presence this is also true
15:59 It's dumb because you're trying to imitate different kind of development and also some parts which are inherited. That's why it's so pathetic to look at Luxemaxers.
[video] 16:15 Oh, those people are the worst.
16:21 And none of it makes any sense. They just made up those ratios to feel better about themselves. I always laugh when those kind of videos are recommended to me. Beauty is so, so subjective. One girl will see a guy as below average, and then another girl will see him as super attractive. I see this all the time. These ratios are something that people, especially in the Blackpill community, made up. And the reason they made them up is for an obvious reason, as I said. When you look at any people from that community, it will be clear.
[video] 17:00 When in reality, it just simply doesn't translate to real life. When you think of what PSL actually is, it's essentially a scale that's made up from the ideal modeling standards from the best looking people in the world. So there is a lot of objectivity to it. However, appeal is obviously going to be more important in real life. For example, my friend from last night showed me a stream from Nocturnal Ken and Andrew.
17:14 Whoa, oh my god, man. Fuck.
17:20 Which one of them is ? For me, it's really hard to say. These could actually be the worst two looking guys on Earth. I'm not even overreacting. It's just insane what they did to themselves.
17:41 What does that mean, PSL? Bad looking, or what does he mean? I don't know what that means, but... Yeah, as I've said before, uh... They are both, uh, essentially. I'm sure that both of them will never have a , I'm just sure about it.
[video] 17:56 He does have a good height, maybe...
18:05 That could change something, but still... I just don't see it as possible. If you're tall...
18:15 But you still have to look at him. Maybe if you put a bh over his f or something.
[video] 18:21 Honestly watching this in disbelief because all the women were ignoring Nocturne or Kent and just going straight to androgenic. Now obviously there's a lot more subtleties to it. Kent's phenotype in Australia...
18:30 Oh, he didn't see the full videos? There were a lot of clips of girls calling him... I won't even say it. Yeah, girls really made fun of him. I saw some clips, somebody emailed them to me. It's really bad, yeah. I don't even know how he dares to go on camera anymore after that.
[video] 18:52 Does not translate well. Androgenic also has a lot of status from where he's from. But the whole mindset about ratios, don't get me wrong, it's super interesting. It definitely correlates with a...
19:00 Status can get you somewhere in the system, not naturally, but it doesn't make anybody attractive.
[video] 19:09 Real world effects. Every man should strive to tick every single box that they can. If you're like this guy and ignoring the face, definitely not optimal. If you're like Kent and you're ignoring your physique, also not optimal. Looks maxing has gone mainstream and I believe that's a huge blessing for a lot of people. If you're an actual... and the world is treating you in a negative way and there wasn't some on a forum to tell you that it was over unironically you would go around life thinking there was something wrong with your own personality or your sense of being now a lot of people can turn this into a victim mindset oh i wasn't born with giga charge genetics but looks maxing used in a healthy and positive way is extremely beneficial for a lot of men poisoning young men is a bit of a stretch looks maxing the way it's sold online is shallow as it's a distraction it's pollution for your brain real looks maxing is toxic masculinity real looks maxing is being manly as real looks maxing is discipline a Honesty strength purpose bring back men who look like they've lived bring back real men with a good moral compass in a good heart Bring back purpose bring back strength stop chasing perfection Haha, he even calls it looks maxing himself. That's what I said at the beginning. And that's what it kind of is.
20:18 It's delusional, but that's how they see it.
[video] 20:21 At the end of the day, both sides are the same. They want to change and hide the way they developed.
20:40 and of course as i said what you inherited what bloodline you come from is very important but usually they focus more so on the development side whether they realize it or not is irrelevant but I've reviewed some videos about these topics and it's usually the case. The bodybuilders want to look bigger, especially wider. They want their shoulders to look wider because the bones didn't develop the way they should because they ate cornflakes with pasteurized milk for breakfast.
21:28 children during puberty and some apple juice with a sandwich and in the sandwich there was some processed meat and cheese inside and
21:44 You will get exactly what you would expect if you eat like that during your development. And then the looks maxers want to change their face. They focus more on that. But as I said, at the end of the day, the body develops as a whole. And that's why somebody who has an attractive face will have an attractive body. body as in below the face also it's all your body of course but typically when people say body they are talking about your chest arms back and so on your whole body will develop or it will be underdeveloped and this all depends on the food that you eat when you're growing thanks for watching