Earthling Ed vs. Meat Eaters - Who Is in the Wrong? @Earthling Ed

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0:00 Hi, I'm going to be reviewing a video of Erfling Ed debating five so-called meat eaters on Sweden's biggest talk show.

[video] 0:10 Ed Winters. Thank you.

[video] 0:15 I read that you said somewhere that vegans might have an optics problem. Right. What do you mean by that? Well, I think that one of the biggest hurdles to people thinking more favorably of veganism is how people think towards us.

0:30 You can see that he's wearing makeup. To be fair, they offer it to people on these talk shows, but you could easily say no to it.

[video] 0:39 Often what happens is people shoot the messenger because it's easier to do that than maybe argue against the message of veganism. And so I sometimes think that when people think of vegans, the first thing they do is sort of roll their eyes and think, oh, these people again, they're going to force their views down my throat and tell me I'm an evil person because I'm not vegan. And I just think that it's really important for us as vegans to hopefully present our arguments in a logical, rational way, but also come across as nuanced, reasonable people. And I think doing that can go a long way in convincing people of the merits of what it is that we try to represent. But do you think that... As some of us eat meat here, do you think that we need some kind of denial just to be able to not look at this? I mean, is denial the premise for eating meat? I think it's willful ignorance and denial is part of that. It's a human nature. I think it's also the case that people don't know.

[video] 1:31 I mean, for example, almost 100% of pigs in Sweden are killed in gas chambers, where they're forced into a chamber that's filled with... How animals are killed nowadays is a whole different topic.

1:45 I also don't agree with the way animals are farmed today because the meat is not healthy. It's not about the morals or ethics behind the farming.

[video] 1:58 Carbon dioxide that causes them to hyperventilate. People know that. That's the problem. Because if you do know that, you've then got to come to the conclusion that either that's ethical to force animals into gas chambers or it's not. And if it's not ethical, then you have to change.

2:14 It's absolutely not ethical.

[video] 2:17 Is this the right description of Swedish meat production? Well, firstly, in Sweden, in opposite to a lot of other European countries, we have pretty high animal welfare. Of course, I don't think we will agree on that, because in the end, the animal will be killed and will be food. But on their way there, for me and for the government...

2:45 Right, and that's exactly how it is in nature, so to speak. outside of this man-made system. But Earthling Ed and all of the other vegans always argue about the way animals are farmed today, which most people don't agree with.

[video] 3:05 It's of course important that we have as good journey as possible. But do you accept that those animals end up in gas chambers, which does cause them unnecessary suffering? You talk about the journey, but what about when they're there?

3:18 It's always the same. After all of these years, they still talk about unnecessary suffering.

[video] 3:27 of the methods, it's not the method in every slaughterhouse. For almost every pig in Sweden it is. Yes, and we are actually looking into that and we have given the authorities the possibility to change this as well. Do you think it's unethical?

3:44 You can see that he's mad. Just look at him. Always the vegan aggression because they are starving.

[video] 3:54 That's actually a bigger question. I eat meat. And of course, you can always end up in the conclusion that killing an animal for the purpose to eat it is unethical. But that's the way...

4:10 There's no question about it. It is unethical, of course, because these animals also feel pain. They suffer exactly the same as human beings. There's no difference as far as that goes. And by definition, it's immoral and unethical. to kill animals for food?

[video] 4:35 It is. If we are going to eat them, yes, we'll have to kill them. But that's not the question. The question was, do you think that gas chambers are unethical? I want slaughterhouses to have the best, most effective... That's not the question. Do you think that gas chambers are unethical? I think it was an yes or no question after all. Yeah, and I'm a politician, so please let me be that. We are looking into it. I'm not the expert. But what do you think? You pay for it through your everyday choices. Then I would ask him, because he's the chef here. He buys a lot of meat. But then also Pete is in government. That's why you can't get a yes or no. But does that not make a mockery of the whole system, that politicians who are representing these industries can't answer simple questions? If you can't even say yes or no, how can we trust you to legislate effectively?

[video] 5:22 The main purpose for me is that we do it as effectively as we can. And we are actually looking into just this issue. But just for the record, you don't want to answer his question, right? I don't think it's my role to say yes or no. Privately, just privately. That's easy to say. I'm never private. You're the Minister of Agriculture. People turn to you. You sat here tonight and you've made claims about the meat industry, claims that Swedish farming is ethical, that you like meat and meat is an OK product to eat and you don't find it immoral. I'm asking you a very specific question, and because you don't want to answer it, all of a sudden you can't speak about your own personal opinion. But you've done that all throughout the show so far. Can I say something? I think it's so good that guys like you help the industry to become better. Because I'm not an expert of gassing the pigs. I don't know. I heard from Helena that they are feeling a lot of things during the gas process. And I think, of course, we shall not do that. So it's so good that you are here to help us.

6:21 Okay, you could kill them differently, but what is the actual difference? Do any animals in nature care how they kill the animals for food? Just watch a bear eating a fish alive. They skin the fish alive. They simply tear the flesh from the bones when they are eating. Whatever kind of animal that has bones, they just don't care. They rip out the organs while the animal is still alive.

7:01 It just won't actually make any real difference in the end.

[video] 7:04 Let's improve. Will you stop serving it? Will you stop serving pig meat then?

[video] 7:12 I actually don't serve that much pigs. But you do serve pigs. Absolutely. No, I will not. So it's wrong. We should improve. You're grateful I'm here, but you're not going to do anything about it. Yeah, of course we are going to do something about it. So you're going to stop serving pig meats. You know, I cannot win this. It's not about winning. It's about consistency. And I think if we sit here and we acknowledge there are problems and we acknowledge there are things that need to change, that the least we can do is then own up to our own responsibility in that change. And if you sit here and you say, look, you're not happy with it, you weren't aware of it, you've maybe learned some things, the question then becomes, well, what do you do with that new information? Is there a better way?

7:45 Besides the women, it seems like Earthling Ed is the only one who's wearing makeup, or at least a lot of makeup. Interesting.

[video] 7:56 to kill the pigs. And which way is that? Well, it would be not killing them, not farming them. OK, but if you have to kill them, what's the best way? But we don't have to kill them. But if you want to kill a pig, let's be clear here. Some people want to eat meat. So how should they kill the pig? Well, they shouldn't kill the pig. Exactly. But if they really want to kill that pig? They shouldn't kill the pig. I mean, this is the thing. You keep using the word want, and that's the most fundamental word in all of that. Want. We want to do these things to animals. We don't have to. We don't need to. We want to.

8:31 but don't you understand what that means? That means that we naturally want to, or do you think that, We somehow just got the idea to kill animals and to eat them. No, it's because it's our nature. We are predators. That's what we do.

[video] 8:48 And I think it's quite scary when we talk about causing so much suffering, so much harm, so much pain, so much fear for a want, for a meal, a 15-minute meal, a taste bud sensation, a sensory pleasure moment.

9:02 Taste bud sensation, but at the same time, vegans always try to imitate the taste of meat. They grill the tofu in a very specific way so that it looks like and smells like meat. Of course, it cannot really taste like meat, but they try to imitate the smoky flavor and whatnot. They add the soy sauce to it. They try to create these flavors which remind them of their favorite meat meals.

[video] 9:41 Alexandra, are you back at the vegetarianism now? Yeah, I kind of want to. It feels so bad that I'm going to the store and buy some ham, just like you were saying, for 15 minutes of fun or whatever. Yeah, I'm a hypocrite.

9:53 I think that it's fair to say... She's not a hypocrite. Maybe, but... She simply naturally needs to eat meat to be healthy. That's it. There is no way around it.

10:08 And these man-made morals, these ideas make her feel bad. It's simply brainwashing.

[video] 10:18 The trend is not in your direction now. People are eating more meat. And here in Sweden, obviously, young people also tend to eat more meat.

10:29 A lot of people are also starting to eat raw meat. Think about that.

[video] 10:35 Well, I think there has been a little bit of push back in more recent years.

10:39 I think that ties into... Come on, man. Veganism is dead, okay? It's an idea anyway. It's not as if it was ever alive. It was simply a form of brainwashing and... Now the brainwashing doesn't work anymore. I wanted to review this video because some of you guys were asking for a video about veganism, seeing as I don't do them very often anymore. And that's mainly because it's really dead at this point. There is Earthling Ed, Unnatural Vegan, Mike the Vegan,

11:17 Is that it? I don't know. Are there any more? Freely sometimes makes some videos, but I guess that she uses AI nowadays because she doesn't want to show herself.

[video] 11:29 Sort of a wider pushback against a lot of maybe quote unquote progressive woke things, you know, things that kind of go against maybe some of the more populist right-wing governments that are finding themselves in Europe and elsewhere. But do you think that a person who's a vegetarian is living an ethical life? I mean, I advocate for veganism because I think dairy and eggs are just as immoral as meat. It's just as bad. Just as bad, yeah. It's the same thing. It's exploitation of animals. There's slaughterhouses at the end of their lives.

12:00 Yes, and that's exactly what veganism is all about. Veganism is about weakness. That's what they promote. A strong human being will do whatever he wants to do, naturally. He will kill the animals, eat them however he wants to, You just do what you want to, that's strength. And weakness is you following man-made ideas. That's the weakest state that you can be in because then you are severely brainwashed. Then your life is based on ideas. There were people in the past who were actually chained up and that's why they couldn't do what they wanted to do. That's also a form of weakness, technically, because you couldn't even properly move.

12:50 But when you could do what you want to do, but you don't do it because of ideas which have been implanted in your head, so to speak, then you are as weak as you possibly could be as a human being. It's the opposite of strength.

[video] 13:07 There are a number of cruel practices. Dairy cows forcibly impregnated, their babies taken away from them almost immediately after they've been born. Mother cows calling out for their offspring that have been taken from them.

13:18 It's interesting how they talk about that, but when the so-called child protective services come and kidnap babies, then you don't see any videos from these vegans, these... morally superior beings. They just talk about cows and chickens.

[video] 13:41 We can drink their milk, the milk from a different species that's meant for their offspring, but we take their offspring away so that we can breastfeed from their mother instead.

13:52 Again, that is strength. You do what you want to do. What we do nowadays in these dairy farms is that we enslave animals We don't let them run away, and then we use them as food. We take their milk and create dairy products out of the milk, and when we want to, then we slaughter them and eat them.

[video] 14:17 It's absurd, but it's also just deeply wrong, and that's why veganism is the ethical conclusion, not just vegetarianism.

14:27 Right, it's wrong because strength is wrong in this modern society and weakness is good.

[video] 14:36 The tribes in Africa that lives with the cows, a part of them living with the cows is that during the cow's lifetime they give them the family milk. And in the end, when it doesn't give them any more milk, they kill it and eat it because they need it, they need the energy. Because otherwise, probably they don't have food on the table. What do you think about that? The word that you used then was need it. And that sort of goes against what I said earlier, want it. There's a difference between a need and a want. There are undeniably people in this world who can't be vegan, who rely on animal protein for survival.

15:12 Yes, what the vegans say is that some people need to eat meat because they don't have the options to eat anything else, seeing as they won't see any supermarkets with imported grains, for example. It's the same kind of logic as saying that a lion could move into a zoo and start eating broccoli with rice. And that's because he now lives somewhere else. What he's naturally supposed to eat doesn't matter. that the lion craves the meat is irrelevant the same way humans crave it.

15:59 Because seeing as we live in cities nowadays and in all of these man-made places inside of buildings, what we are naturally supposed to eat doesn't matter anymore. It's exactly the same kind of logic. And that's why it's a fallacy, because what humans naturally eat doesn't change because of where we live.

[video] 16:25 I'm not here to argue against those people. I'm here to make the case that those of us who can should feel morally compelled to do so. Could this be like it's a part of a culture war?

[video] 16:36 Maybe. Like a statement. Like you began with. A lot of people, I think, have felt that from the vegan side, it has been a lot of demanding. And actually, I feel it a little bit like that here, even if you started the way you did, that you are right and 95% of the Swedish people are wrong with eating meat. And maybe that's a reaction to something like that. Because food... is very political. In Sweden we have for decades have political influences who has driven like the school lunches in Sweden to be more vegetarian. It started with a day per month maybe, now it's one, two, three days every week. And of course... This was not your idea. That was not my idea. And maybe you have pushed it a little bit too much and then you get a reaction. Is this the optics problem?

17:30 It would be interesting if he said whose idea it was.

[video] 17:34 Well, I think, to be fair, I don't think that 95% of people in Sweden are wrong in the sense of that they're bad people. And that's what I think is really important to sort of say about this. Someone isn't a bad person because they eat animal products. You know, animal products are marketed to us all the time, every single day. We were raised eating animal products. It's legally allowed for us to eat animal products. So I'm not here to argue and try and position myself as being the good person. Everyone else is the bad person. That's not the point. But it's also really important that we do come to terms with the truth and reality of this because then we can make better decisions. And just the point on the school meals, earlier you were talking about going to experts, going to advisors. But the Swedish Food Agency advocates for people to eat fewer animal products. They're part of the school meals that you're against.

18:19 And so on the one hand, you... Wow, his arm looked very thin. Let's go back. You see what I'm saying? Hmm.

18:31 It looks strange.

[video] 18:32 Animal products, they're part of the school meals that you're against.

18:37 What I meant is the wrist, the hand more so.

[video] 18:41 So on the one hand, you were saying earlier about going forward with evidence and with advice. On the other hand, you're rejecting the evidence. You're rejecting the nutrition guidelines that your own food and nutritional authorities in this country are advocating for. Now you're putting words in my mouth. I haven't said that. I wanted a broader perspective when we outlined these guidelines, and that's a difference. But my point here is that political views has changed the way we are serving meals in school. That's not driven only by experts saying this or that. It's driven by a political view. Do you agree with that? That it has to become politicised? I think it's only become politicised if you think that science is politicised. If we take the Nordic guidelines, we're doing this in a Nordic perspective, the task that scientists were given, were given by governments. In that time, it was almost green governments. So you don't believe in that science? Absolutely I do. I believe from the mission they got from the governments. But you say that the mission was politicized, right? Yes, of course.

[video] 19:40 But that would be fine if it was only in Nordic countries, but we're seeing the same in the UK, we're seeing the same in Canada. And we have the guidelines. and we have the knowledge. But from my political perspective, all I'm saying when it comes to school meals, I want the children to be able to choose. That's the thing, you know, sometimes we think about going vegan and we think that it means giving up on some of our, you know, favorite foods and it means that we won't enjoy food. That's not the case. There are plenty of delicious plant-based foods and it's actually an opportunity to discover new flavors, try different ingredients and expand your palate. I love vegan food also. Yeah, yeah, it's good. But I have to have a little of the romantic side also. I think there is nothing better to eat than a piece of grilled steak. Is sensory pleasure, so taste enjoyment, does that morally justify what we do to animals? And here we go again. Thank you so much. Ed Winters, ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much.

20:28 His last question was, does taste, the sensory pleasure, justify killing animals? Is it right to eat meat because we like the taste of it? And the answer is none of that matters. And that's because ethics and morals are ideas. None of it exists. Humans thought of morals because they wanted to enslave millions of people at once. I'm referring to religions. And if you call yourself an ethical or moral human being, then you are following religions. Earthling Ed is a weak human being who chooses ideas over his senses, this actual reality. And to be fair, he was brainwashed into veganism.

21:28 You could even argue that he didn't choose it himself.

21:36 All that you need to do is simply look at meat, smell it, taste it, and you know that you are supposed to eat animals. That's the end of the story. And that's because the animal is real and your senses can detect it.

22:00 When you talk about eating animals, then you are talking about what's actually happening in this reality. When you talk about what is ethical, moral, good, bad, wrong, right, and so on, then you are talking about ideas. That's all in your mind. And it's in your mind because these ideas were implanted in your mind. The ideas were not naturally found in your mind, obviously, seeing as there are no human beings in nature that talk about any of these topics. And that's because none of it is innate. But what is innate is your need to eat meat. Your senses tell you to eat meat, and that's why none of the ideas matter.

22:56 If your taste buds tell you that meat is good, then it means that you were naturally designed to eat meat. And that's the end of the debate. The ideas, the morals and ethics which don't exist will never matter in this actual reality. Thanks for watching.