Raw Vegan Family vs. Hunter Family

Watch on YouTube · 2026-07-07 · 39 min

0:00 Hey, what's up? I'm going to be reviewing a Wiveswap episode. It's about a raw vegan and a hunting family. I remember seeing clips from this episode many years ago, but I never actually watched it.

[video] 0:16 Each week, from across America, two families are chosen.

[video] 0:23 This week, the Hodges, a hunting family who kill 50 animals a year. Bobby's husband, Ricky, is the boss and spanks their wild boys three times a week. And the Kopans, vegetarians who don't even own a stove. Jackie runs the house with an iron fist, forcing her husband to be vegetarian.

0:43 Well, we can see who's wearing the pants in that family.

[video] 0:49 Each wife is about to get a new husband. new children, and a new life.

[video] 0:58 What does that mean, a raw family? Do we freaking not cook food here? No more spanking. Yeah! How can people be so fruity, so nutty? Real homes. I'd like for them to treat her like they treat me. Real lives. I've been working on getting my energy from the sun. My new mom eats the sun. Creepy.

1:18 Real drama. I remember seeing that clip.

[video] 1:22 I eat deer. Maybe I eat squirrel because. Hello, if we didn't have meat to supplement us, our kids wouldn't need much. The Backwoods of Kentucky.

[video] 1:48 Bobby Hodge and her family eat meat twice a day, seven days a week. We get most of our meat from the woods or our backyard or wherever we have to get it.

1:55 You should eat meat or some kind of animal foods every day, every time you eat, obviously. It's just common sense. What else do you want to eat?

[video] 2:07 Than we do from the store. It's cheaper, it works for us, it's healthier. While Bobby's in charge of the grilling, Hunter husband Ricky's in charge of the killing.

2:16 It is healthier for sure. It's the best kind of meat that you can get.

[video] 2:22 We eat every squirrel we kill. We eat every rabbit, every deer.

2:29 It is a waste to cook it realistically. If you cook factory farmed pork, then it's understandable and even recommended. But these wild animals are or should be pure. That's not guaranteed necessarily nowadays because of our environment, to be fair.

[video] 2:55 He works long hours in a factory but prides himself on spending quality time with his family.

3:01 Whether it's hunting with... Just to be clear, for example, some deer go to some... man-made plantations and then they eat the sprayed corn for example that will still not make their meat as bad as any of the modern farmed animals because they get that kind of food plus a lot of other stuff Which I better not mention.

[video] 3:30 The boys. The child would turn out to be a better adult if they'd only been around nature. This is my first year a child is nine years old. Or a bit of taxidermy with the wife. These are two squirrels that me and Ricky killed and mounted. It was the first ones we did.

[video] 3:48 They look a little anorexic and freaky, but we did them together and we enjoyed it.

[video] 3:55 The Hodges survive on a...

3:56 Actually, that is the origin of toys, puppets, dolls, all of that, those stuffed animals. That's what I'm talking about. And then along with that came everything else.

[video] 4:11 Very low income, living in a home that's half trailer, half house. And it's Bobby's job to look after the trouse. I do all the cooking and cleaning. Horsing is a never-ending job around here. Somebody's always in cow poop, horse poop, or just plain mud. And with 14 animals to take care of, that's a lot of poop. The dogs, the horses, the cows, they're all important. Bobby and Ricky have two young critters of their own, 12-year-old Cody and 10-year-old Austin. We're a country boy. They're pretty rambunctious. They're pretty wild and wooly. And Cody, the oldest, is pretty much out of control. He's the wild child of the bunch. He's the one that causes the disciplinary problems. It's cute, little buddy. Look, he threw a rock at me.

4:54 Mmm.

4:56 Yeah, it's clear what happened to the children. I think that you understand. Plus, they obviously also didn't grow up eating animal-based. They for sure eat a lot of other so-called foods. And the wife also eats that, you can just see it. She doesn't have the physique of A woman that eats animal-based, that is clear.

[video] 5:25 It hit me right here. As far as discipline the kids, I'm old-fashioned. Cody gets spanked two, three times a week probably. Are you quitting already? No. You give up? I think Ricky would like for the kids to have a little fear of him. They don't. Loser. But Bobbie is about to abandon her family and exchange lives with a woman she's never met 3,000 miles away in Arizona.

[video] 5:54 Jackie Culpin is a vegan. She doesn't use or eat animal products. But what Jackie really wants is to never eat.

6:00 They will obviously portray her as completely nuts. It's understandable why she lives in Arizona. A lot of sun.

[video] 6:10 Again. And she thinks sun gazing is the answer. suppresses your appetite. It's like the sun becomes your food. It becomes your energy. If people knew about sun gazing.

6:21 Actually, you can get some kind of energy from it or call it whatever you want, but it's for sure not enough to sustain your life.

[video] 6:30 How they could get their energy from the sun. Gosh, it'd be great, wouldn't it, to be able to control world hunger?

[video] 6:38 jackie has i wonder what she's up to nowadays if she's even alive she does look sickly like a typical vegan yet managed to survive on a sun diet so she's forced the whole family to eat raw vegan food instead i'm really amazed that i can go on with my daily life when i think about how animals are suffering i really feel the animals pains i can even go into the store where they have lobsters and i understand that lobsters travel great distance and actually hold hands with their young ones

7:06 If only she would see how many animals are killed for the plant foods that she's eating. It's way more than in the factory farms or whatever she's against. I guess that she's against killing any kind of animals for whatever reason.

[video] 7:23 And I'd like to apologize to them and realize that their suffering is going to end for them. I was three when I went vegetarian, three or four.

7:33 This is bullshit because if you would actually care about the animals, then you would just collapse and go into a coma basically because there's animals dying all around you all the time. All of the vegans fake it. None of them care about the animals.

[video] 7:49 My mom told me what a hamburger was and I never ate meat again. Jackie made husband Harold become a raw food eater as well, but he still remembers the good old days. Even Tiger the cat has been made to become a vegan.

8:19 What? What the fuck? And you care about the animals? What? What kind of a contradiction is that? Fuck, man. These people are completely nuts.

[video] 8:30 Tiger really likes. Gotta have that. It's nutritional yeast.

8:35 What? Nutritional yeast and she calls the cat tiger? As well as minimal food, Jackie believes in minimal furnishings.

[video] 8:44 Jackie's gotten rid of a lot of things in her life. I'm really amazed on how little you have to have to be happy. I think the biggest thing was the stove. It comes home that night.

8:53 She's not wrong. You don't need any of that. None of these objects can make you happy. The couch, lamp and all of that, but... You won't be happy because of the way you eat. That's the problem.

[video] 9:11 And he comes in with pizza and he's like, Wow, what did we do with the stove?

9:16 If anybody knows anything about her, I would be curious to hear about her. Maybe she eats raw meat nowadays. A lot of raw vegans end up switching to raw meat. They already got the raw part right. They just don't get that veganism is wrong.

[video] 9:35 Missed it by not too far. It went down the road. So it's gone. Jackie has raised four kids of her own with only Morgan now still at home and has firm views on corporal punishment. I don't believe in spanking and I don't believe in yelling. I don't think that that just doesn't work. While Jackie spends her days nude sunbathing and doing yoga, workaholic Harold works 15-hour shifts in a supermarket and Jackie and Morgan hardly ever get to see him. I'll see you later. Harold working so many hours, it's been a problem. I really feel like he chooses work

10:05 This is the kind of husband that a woman like her wants, a guy that she can control, boss around.

[video] 10:14 He's not around as much for the little boring moments that, you know, bring a family together. But who can blame him when he has to do everything around the house?

10:25 I told you, I told you.

[video] 10:30 Well, she doesn't enjoy doing dishes, so she doesn't do it. After working and coming home and seeing dishes for two or three days, she's still sitting there. Harold, would you take the laundry room, too? OK. Harold's definitely a pushover. But I don't know if that's such a bad thing.

10:46 Well, yes. Not for you. For you, it's good, obviously. TV. Where's the TV?

[video] 10:51 Where's the entertainment center?

[video] 10:56 Honestly, animal lovers. Not quite the way I would love animals. Okay, they don't cook much. No food, no meat. Nothing in there for the body or the soul. Oh, dear God. Cruelty-free living. Here we got a nice stack of cheese where a cow had to give up its baby so that humans could have the milk to make the cheese. It's kind of...

11:16 Yes, exactly. We enslave the animals and we use them for food. We milk them and then we slaughter them and eat them. Welcome to this reality.

[video] 11:28 Freaky to me. Where's my meat? And here they got a stove. Oh my God, they don't even have a stove or a microwave. I hope I remember how to use one. Maybe they're waiting for it to be delivered. Oh, this is nice. Oh, crap. This could be my room. Oh, crap. Oh, crap. Each wife has written a manual as a guide to the running of their homes. Hunting is at the heart of our family. Our philosophy is kill them, grill them. Whoa.

[video] 11:58 Harold likes raw food, but still craves cooked foods. Me and Harold's gonna get along. I go through the boys' room, collect their dirty clothes off the floor, and separate them. Nah, don't do that. Harold ends up doing most of the cleaning. I'm often too busy to do it, and I think there are more important things in life. True, more important than cleaning, but what is she doing when she's not cleaning? We have 14 animals that I take care of and feed during the week. It takes a bit of time to take care of 14 animals. Harold rarely eats dinner with us because he works late. So he usually makes dinner for himself when he gets in. It's kind of sad. Poor Harold. Watch out for Cody. He's a handful and likes to be the center of attention. Harold doesn't protest with me because it's not something he feels comfortable with and he's too busy working. Maybe he works so he don't have to be here. If they don't listen to me screaming, then Ricky will spank them. Ooh, that's a little bit too physical. From 7.30 to 7.38, I stare at the sun. Sun gazing has changed my life. They could look at the sun.

[video] 12:55 For energy, we would have less starving people in the world. Jackie is a raw food eating animal rights campaigner who believes that staring at the sun is a cure for world hunger. She's swapped lives with Bobby Hodge, whose family hunts animals every day. For the first week, the wives must live by their new family's rules. Later, they get to make some changes.

[video] 13:19 It's the moment of truth. The two wives are about to come face-to-face with their new husbands and children. You like it up, right? Hi. Hi. Nice to meet you. Hello. Hello. So you're Cody, right? Yeah. You going to give me a hug? No. Welcome to Arizona. Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm Ricky. Nice to meet you. I'm Jackie. How are you doing? I'm doing good. Doing good. I understand the fruits and vegetables, but the no cooking part, what's up with that? solely for health reasons unlike you know vegetarian veganism they seem like good people but with some ideals that you know in my world are a little screwy we have a way to cook for the cat we have like a fondue like kind of pot that like heats up no way cat gets food a cat gets warm food but we don't get warm she seems why does the cat get cooked food hmm that's strange weird it's really nice down to earth Nice lady. I think her personality is great. She seems to be bubbly, giggly and excited. I don't think there'll be a problem there.

[video] 14:19 Maybe at the end of the week. He cooks, he cleans. Are you serious?

14:23 I guess there's just nothing raw that a cat can eat if the food is plant-based or made out of only some kind of plant food, seeds and whatnot.

[video] 14:36 so serious but you can cook right you can't cook i haven't cooked for years can you show me how i don't know how we don't cook anything we don't do any cooking we eat it's been a while since she cooked so i hope she remembers she's nice but the only thing i don't like about she should just serve them raw meat she's vegetarian we gotta change that In Arizona, it's 5 a.m. Harold is heading off for a 15-hour shift at the supermarket. And for Bobby, it's time to chow down to the most important meal of the day. It's like breakfast has arrived. Usually you wear sunglasses to keep the sun out of your eyes, but hey, woman's gotta eat.

15:24 She's funny.

[video] 15:25 People be so fruity, so nutty. I think the sun out here in Arizona has been fried their brain. That is literally what I expected. That's kind of what I meant before. Yes, exactly. This is how a lot of children grow up nowadays.

15:37 And then when they are 15, 16, they realize that their jaw didn't develop the way

16:01 it should, and then they get into looks maxing or something, or black pill content, and then they say, ah, it's my genetics.

[video] 16:11 Sugar's healthy. I think so. Makes me hyper, burn flat fat. I don't think sugar's good for anybody. That could be some of the reason why Cody's bouncing off the walls. Wow, I didn't think a person could fit in there. Bobby's got no chores to do. That's down to Harold when he gets home from work. So it must be time for yoga.

16:34 She is for sure right about the food and about how hyperactive they are. But when I first saw them, I just saw their face. And that's how I could tell what they have been eating. But I guess most people don't focus on that anymore. But I've gone so... deep into this topic that I just right away notice it.

[video] 17:06 Vegan Jackie is doing her best to avoid cooking meat. I don't have enough time to defrost this. I should have thought about that earlier.

[video] 17:18 I forgot to take any dinner out. Got the thawing thing out. Yeah. Is the chili still in the refrigerator? No, I threw it out. It didn't look really good.

17:28 Who cares? You can defrost it within 30 minutes. What's the problem?

[video] 17:34 So that didn't work out. But if Ricky wants fresh meat, Ricky gets fresh meat.

[video] 17:48 I've done my part. I've already turned over to you.

17:51 Very cool how you can just go and hunt there. It's not even possible in a lot of places on Earth nowadays.

[video] 17:58 It's really kind of strange to think that that rabbit was running around with his family and friends and now it's not.

[video] 18:06 This is how I feel when I think about animals and the suffering that's going on and what I've seen.

18:19 She should go to one of the farms where they create her so-called vegan foods. Then she would see how many rabbits are killed to grow all of the plants and the seeds. They kill thousands upon thousands of rabbits. Shopping for the evening meal.

[video] 18:40 I don't even know if we have stores like this from Kentucky. I have no idea. Take mushrooms, huh? Take mushrooms. No meat, no hot dogs, no corn dogs. $7.99 a pound. It's an expensive bird feed. Some of the prices are just astronomical. $9.39 for a pound of some kind of yeast flakes. That's stupid. Jackie may have agreed to cook the rabbit, but when it comes to eating, she breaks the rules and won't budge on her vegan raw food principles. I've refused to cook meat at my house for almost 20 years now. So that's a little hard for me to be a part of that. Just meat eaters or just vegetarians don't live as long as people that eat both. You're going to die. We all are. We all are. Because I eat like this, I'm gonna die sooner. Soon. You'll have to keep in touch and find out. She doesn't eat food that's cooked. I think that's plain stupid. After another exhausting day, Bobby's decided to ask Morgan about Harold's constant absence.

[video] 19:40 When I was growing up, my dad used to, like, work till 8.30 at night, and we'd have to be in bed by 10. I never saw him. You know, and I miss that. I wish my dad didn't feel like he had to work so much. I wish that he was, you know, around more. Have you ever really told your dad, I miss you, I want you home? No. No, I've never said that to him. Really? No, uh-uh. Morgan is so attached to her dad that she doesn't know her dad and gets to see him, and that makes me sad. I think it's very, very, very important because your dad's not going to be here forever.

[video] 20:11 Jackie's decided it's an opportune moment to reveal her alternative to eating. I've been working on getting my energy from the sun, so, yeah. I've been working on that. Is this your only idea or have you written on this? No, I listen to a guy from India. The premise of this is you just soak up sun and you can absorb the nutrients you need from the sun. Yeah, I'm still working on it. Obviously, I still eat. It's an interesting theory because, you know, people are starving to death and they...

20:38 She looks like she's starving. She's very thin. She's underweight. And as I said before, she does look sickly.

[video] 20:47 Most of them have plenty of sun outside. Yeah, yeah. So how do they starve to death? Well, maybe they're not out in it enough. I don't really know. It's a good question. My new mom eats the sun. Creepy.

[video] 21:05 Bobby's also finding the Culpin way of life pretty strange. Back from his 15-hour shift, Harold has to make his own dinner and eat alone. I think Harold has lost his...

21:15 He even eats all of that even though she's gone. Come on, man. Go and buy a ribeye steak. He also looks very fragile and weak.

[video] 21:26 Giving up his own personality even just to please her. Has Jackie influenced you with being a vegetarian? Oh, I think it's probably 100%. Maybe meat once a week wouldn't be so bad for you just to have. I don't think it's going to happen in Jackie's house. Well, it's your house too, though. In Kentucky, as usual, Cody is fighting with Austin, and Jackie is struggling to break it up. We're going to eat a vegan diet. What's a vegan? That means no meat, no butter, no dairy.

21:58 No food.

[video] 21:59 And guess what?

22:01 No food, exactly.

[video] 22:02 Guess what, guys? We're eating raw. Your rabbit food diet has left you weak. God made animals for us to eat. We're going to eat that meat that he gave us. I won't eat meat. What are you going to do if you won't eat it? Oh, I mean, I'll starve before I eat meat. We're going to do a protest. Hand out some leaflets.

22:19 Oh, man, the daughter is all so brainwashed. It's bad.

[video] 22:23 Get some people some information. She can forget me ever protesting against hunting or eating meat. That's something that's not going to happen. Wouldn't happen at gunpoint. Morgan, this protesting thing's gotta stop. No one's listening to you. You kinda sound crazy. I will never hand out another PETA pamphlet again. Tomorrow, they're going in the trash. You guys have been using just too much sugary foods and sugary drinks. They play a part in your behavior. So, they're out and we're gonna do a little sun gazing. Harold, you're not a wimp. Stand up and be a man. Gain some control over your house. You shouldn't be doing the chores. You work all day. From now on, I will be doing the cleaning and cooking so you can relax. Violent hobbies are a thing of the past. I got a problem with that, too. And I've arranged for all you guys to take a Tai Chi. It's interesting how you can be in a so-called hunting family and still end up eating absolute garbage and that's why you develop like that.

[video] 23:43 You can bitch in and help with the laundry. Harold, you and Morgan need some bonding time. You're always at work and never at home. I want you home by 3 PM. No more spanking. Yeah! No more punishment. No more spanking. No more punishment at all? No. No punishment at all. Oh, yeah. That goes without everything. Have fun with him. That goes without everything. It sure does. Thank you, Mom. You need to learn to rely on yourself to make you do the right thing. One of the rules is crazy and not going to work, so you can forget it. I'll tell you what, if you do that again, you can forget all about any rules anybody makes, because I'm going to bust your tail. Did you hear your dad? Come on, Cody. You've got to be responsible for your own actions. Your rules. Handle it. I'd like for them to treat her like they treat me, and then let her see if she can talk them out of it. Cody, I am telling you, she's only here a few more days, bud. I'm going to write all this down. Wow. Wow. Bobby's wasted no time in installing Home Comforts. What's up, Daisy? First thing out of the Hodges is the dead animals and the meat.

[video] 24:42 Some people are evil. Eat these poor little animals. Get this out of my house. People aren't evil. They're just misguided. And Harold's got a brand new stove. It's a stove. It's here. Are you going to eat what goes in the stove? Maybe. It's the first morning of the new rules. Jackie has stopped the boys' high sugar diet and is taking them sun gazing instead.

[video] 25:03 Unfortunately, Jackie hasn't taken into account the weather.

[video] 25:08 So with Jackie's plans to cure world starvation on hold, it's back home for a hearty meal of seeds and nuts. Not good. That's what? You didn't eat meat. You're right, I did not eat meat. It's just a personal belief, and if it's your personal belief not to eat any of this stuff, I would, you know, I totally understand. The meat isn't all we ate. We had potatoes and a bunch of vegetables, but you wouldn't eat them because they were cooked. It took me...

[video] 25:39 It's kind of hard to understand, but it took me a lot to give up cooked food. And kind of look at it like alcoholism. I feel that it's really harmful to my body.

25:51 And I don't even know... Cooked food is harmful, but comparing it to alcoholism is over the top.

[video] 25:59 I'm really sensitive about it. I don't know, I think it's just kind of everything. Didn't know it was going to be that traumatic for you. And I'll be back.

26:07 Yes, it's traumatic, you could say, because she misses meat so much.

[video] 26:12 If I was around Jackie a lot, I would really worry about her health, not eating the proper diet, the stress. The stress has got to wear on her because she's constantly worried, never happy.

26:24 Right, exactly. She's never happy. It's very typical. More about herself. I honestly do.

26:31 And the vegans talk themselves into believing that they are unhappy because the animals are suffering. In reality, they really want to eat the animals, but they are so brainwashed that they believe that it's almost the other way around. that they are crying because the animals are dying. In reality, they want to slaughter and eat the animals. That's how twisted their minds are. In reality, she's just really hungry.

[video] 27:03 In Arizona, Bobby's banned nuts and seeds, and she's taking vegan Morgan on a meat-buying spree.

27:18 What a good beef roast, ladies.

[video] 27:19 What do you think? No, I like cows, too, alive. OK, you've got to pick something. I refuse to pick anything out. I'm not asking you to kill a cow. I'm not asking you to, Morgan. By buying the cow, I have a part in killing it. I can't do it. I can't pick anything out. Morgan's outright refusal to follow the rules has upset Bobby. Well, I wasn't asking her to touch it. I wasn't asking her to eat it. I was just asking her to pick a piece of meat out. I mean, she could have closed her eyes and picked this kind of meat out. After failing to get Morgan to buy meat, Bobby's now trying to empower Harold by getting him to eat cooked food in his own home. And she's gone the whole hog. I'm seeing him now looking at that pig like he's pretty hungry.

28:00 Oh man, it must look so delicious to him.

[video] 28:04 Hoping the presence of his meat-eating work colleagues will help. I'm gonna do with all that meat. Jow down, man. Harold is scared to death of his wife. If he eats a piece of meat tonight, he's gonna have to face his wife when she gets home.

[video] 28:18 Can't we make Harold get it first? Harold, he needs some encouragement. Harold. You don't want this? This little piggy went to the market for you. But Harold can't connect with his inner carnivore and heads straight for the salad bar. The food was good. I just don't want to have any meat.

28:39 Wow, he's actually so afraid of his wife. What a family.

[video] 28:46 To help convince the family veganism is the way to go, Jackie is showing them an animal rights video.

[video] 28:54 The boys seemed particularly sad about the video. They're mean. I'm particularly sad every time I see it. So I thought I needed to empower them.

29:01 Yes, they showed them some kind of footage of animals being mistreated and abused. And of course, you can say that killing an animal is abuse, obviously. But they showed them this footage where they beat them on purpose. maybe laugh and so on and then you as a domesticated human removed from nature are supposed to see it as cruel and then you're supposed to go vegan which is how it works sometimes

[video] 29:40 I've met the person that started PETA. I've met the people that are high up in PETA. I've met more people just like I am. PETA does not want people to hunt. PETA thinks we're evil because we do eat meat. All they're just trying to do is make life better for animals. That's all. I'm not saying that you're evil. I'm saying that what PETA stands for is real. Well, that's your opinion, okay? Exactly. Okay, so let's leave it at that's your opinion. And if you do not care for my daughter's opinion, and we've expressed it to you several times... You know that I know people. that didn't have food this past winter. They went out and they killed a deer and they ate it and their kids were fed. We're not in situations like that. How do you know that I'm not? You don't have... How do you know? I'm asking you.

[video] 30:23 Think about it, Lori.

[video] 30:26 Think about it before you judge people, okay? Would you think about it before you judge people? You see, you see, maybe, maybe, maybe I eat deer. Maybe I eat squirrel because we can't go out and just buy all the fruits and nuts that we want. I was just asking. Because it's cheap for us. Money don't grow on trees for us. Our house payment is about the same as our check. Hello, if we didn't have meat to supplement us, our kids wouldn't need much. It's about living in our facts of our lives. I've never seen my dad, like, get that upset and he was trying to protect me and stand up for me. You need to get in the real world. In the real world, some of us have to get out there and hunt for our family. I'm feeling like maybe I spoke up for America a little bit. I honestly think, Jackie, that you're trying to carry the burden of the world on your shoulders, and it's a little too much for anybody. You're not happy. Do what you want to do to help animals, but don't make yourself miserable because of that. It's just not healthy for you. Yeah, I think you're right.

31:18 Vegans and raw vegans especially generally don't look happy. Usually they look depressed. But as I said before, they talk themselves into believing that it's because all of the animals are suffering. But in reality, they are all just very hungry.

[video] 31:40 You've got to have balance and I can't be any good to any human or animal if you think about it all the time.

[video] 31:52 I need to look at myself and things that I do and make some changes in my life. Maybe just to be stronger.

31:58 Bread and juice. That's it.

[video] 32:02 Anything else? No, thank you.

32:06 No, thank you. Oh my God, man.

32:12 He just eats plain bread with orange juice or something. Crazy.

[video] 32:18 After two weeks apart, the couples are about to be reunited. All right, what's wrong? Get over here! Did you miss me?

32:36 It's pretty easy to carry her, obviously, because of her weight. Even somebody who eats a raw vegan diet can do it.

[video] 32:46 It's judgement time as the couples come face to face for the first time. I just don't understand how you guys can say you care about animals and then kill them. Eating meat is cruel, it's bringing misery to lives. You don't think you need meat, I think meat is a very necessary part of it.

32:59 What they mean is that they care about some animals in the sense that they don't want to slaughter them, such as their dogs, maybe the horses also, I don't know. But then when it comes to the cows, chickens, deer and whatever, they slaughter them and eat them. And that's how it is for all animals. Does a wolf not care about other wolves, his family? Of course he does. He cares about animals. But he also eats other animals. That's nature. They talk about it as if it's impossible to care about some animals and love them and eat other animals. It's how pretty much all animals do it.

[video] 33:46 It's so simple to fix something else besides meat. It's so simple to find something else to do. Human beings are carnivores. You eat nothing but raw food. If you really want to cook vegetable, it's not killing an animal. If you want to cook your corn, cook your corn and eat it. I can respect you for wanting to save the animals. Maybe instead of protesting, maybe go help an animal. Go actually get in contact with an animal. Go to your nursing home and help somebody in there. You're not helping anybody with your signs. You're not helping anybody walking. The earth does not need your energy. It's going to be fine on its own.

34:15 The one thing I think that to me... Did she say to go to a nursing home as in help a human being? Exactly. Where are all of the vegans helping humans?

34:28 I've never seen that.

[video] 34:30 Ricky, you disagreed with the most was about the spanking. It wasn't always that they had to be spanked, but it was the fact that they thought, if I don't do a hold, I could be spanked. So the threat of it is there. I agree with you that there has to be consequences, and I think the boys should know that there's consequences. And I think if they know the true consequences, that that's all they need to know. I think people that have kids that are not naturally aggressive do not understand at all how boys can be so aggressive. And a part of me...

34:56 Nah, she's right in this case, the vegan. They eat absolute garbage. It fries their nerves.

[video] 35:05 I like his aggressiveness because I do not want them being the kind of guy that gets... You can't even say that they are aggressive.

35:12 Or she's talking about the husband, or I guess both the kids and the husband, because the kids are just sick.

[video] 35:20 Harold, what'd you get out of your week? What did I get out of the week? I got a lot of personal reflection. We're going to have a better life. We're going to have more time together and we're going to be okay. The wives return home to be reunited with their families. Definitely interesting. Mama! What? This is incredible! That's nice. The house looks nice. It looks really inviting. Thank you!

35:48 They say that vegetables are nasty, but then at the same time, the mother and the father, you could say, also feeds the kids some kind of seeds or seed products, just little baked slime balls with pasteurized milk. Whatever.

[video] 36:14 The sun, if you eat too much of it. The stove. Keep it or not. It's going to have to be your call.

[video] 36:24 In the weeks since the swap, there have been changes in the Hodges household. Austin, do you want carrots? Yeah. All right, come here. We eat carrots. Sometimes I throw a salad on there and they'll eat it. Buddy, just try them. I wish maybe I'd started when they were younger. You don't want more than that. Because they are kind of set in their ways on what vegetables they do want to eat. they're trying a new approach to discipline. He doesn't want to play with you. I would love to be able to just talk him out of it, but it doesn't seem to work. If you're not going to listen to your mom, I will take you out and wash your tail. You do what you have to do. And as for hunting,

36:54 What was even the problem? They were just kind of wrestling. It's normal to do that. Maybe they did something else off camera.

[video] 37:03 Copeland's pretty much, I've guaranteed, another buck on our wall. They made me realize that I'm going out there and I'll get that buck. It's going to be my deer, my wall, my meat. And nobody can take that away. Centralized here, I shot me a rabbit.

[video] 37:18 I ate it. It's good. This buck's for you, Jackie.

[video] 37:25 And there have been big changes in the Copen household. Harold has kept the stove, and Jackie's even started eating cooked food. I realized I'm not as controlled by it as I thought I was. I'm happy to let go of the need to be afraid of cooked food. Harold's spending more time with the family. Hey, what's up? And he has a bigger say in how the household is run. Just put a door right here. Leave it the same and just tile all this. We're talking more and hearing his opinion. I'm listening. That's, yeah, a good plus. I'll help you tile it because you're the one that wants to shower in some. Maybe she realized that it's nice to hear from the other side sometimes. And I'm sometimes the other side. I think that my dad and I definitely make an effort to really involve each other in conversations, and I think that's the best thing that could have happened.

38:17 I just looked it up and it said that the raw vegan mother was 50 years old when they filmed the episode. The whole family looked sickly and weak. The hunting family looked better, but they obviously also didn't look actually healthy. The mother did look a lot healthier, but as I said before, it's clear that she also eats a lot of unnatural foods. The man looked a lot manlier and stronger. It's clear who's wearing the pants in that family. And the children are suffering. It's obvious that they were not developing properly. I wonder how they look like now. I can imagine it. It was a good episode. It shows you the contrast.

39:16 They always choose very different families on purpose, obviously, because at the end of the day, this was created for entertainment. People can laugh. They can see how different the beliefs are, but of course the beliefs don't even matter at the end of the day. What matters is your nature, your instincts, intuition, what you actually want. And it's very clear that all human beings want to eat meat. Thanks for watching.